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Postby niclights » 23 Nov 2009, 13:15

For link I mean 'link from previous step'. In cuelists the default is to unlink all cues. In chases the default is to link all steps.

Use Edit Times and toggle the softkey to turn link on/off. The link status for every cue will be shown in the LCD list view as soon as you use the link toggle. Move to the relevant cue using wheel. Alternatively unfold and use edit times on individual cues.

For fixture order you should be able to edit the order for each step. At the moment you do have to do this manually. Currently it is not possible to apply the order defined in a group or in other cues. There are a number of limitations with fixture ordering which I have highlighted but the majority are only inconveniences. However, you can safely select fixtures in any order and merge edits without destroying the previously defined order.

I'm still not sure I fully understand "I can't deselect the fixture who's already in the order". Surely if a fixture exists it must have an order, even if it is set to 1?
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Postby SL » 26 Nov 2009, 18:50

What i mean with "I can't deselect the fixture who's already in the order" is when i want to set a custom fixture order in a cue, you see the selected fixtures with a highlited LED. But i think it`s logical when you press that LED, the fixture is deselected. So i`ve tried, and it didn`t work. I`ve searched for a way to deselect a fixture when setting a fixture order in a cuelist, but i didn`t found any.

I hope it`s clear now?
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Postby niclights » 26 Nov 2009, 19:37

You don't deselect from an order. You specify which fixtures are in which step order.

Select step on softkey and select fixtures for that step. Step number applied is shown on HUD.
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Postby ChiekuRs » 11 Jan 2010, 18:35

few things I have noticed (Titan 2.0):

problem with chase timings:
sometime it's impossible to get custom time settings back to global - the soft button 'Use Global' just isn't there.
You can replicate this:
create 2 step chase
unfold it and set 1st step delay to 1 (notice that now soft-button G is 'Use Global' to set it back to global)
exit unfold mode
enter unfold again and try to set 1st step delay to global - soft-button G is blank.

problem with OFF:
I created a cue (record by channel) with 20 fixtures in it
after that I removed some fixtures from that cue with OFF.
it removed them from cue, but when I set palettes to fixtures in that playback (by holding down palette key and pressing swop of that playback), it applied to all 20 fixtures, not only those left in cue.
as I understand this shouldn't be like this
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Postby niclights » 12 Jan 2010, 01:18

ChiekuRs wrote:You can replicate this:
create 2 step chase
unfold it and set 1st step delay to 1 (notice that now soft-button G is 'Use Global' to set it back to global)
exit unfold mode
enter unfold again and try to set 1st step delay to global - soft-button G is blank.

I can't repeat this. Are you sure it's not simply because nothing is focussed for editing? For example, if you press enter after inputting a time then the 'global' button does disappear because you don't have any item set for editing. But as soon as you press the delay softkey again the global button reappears.

The filtered palettes sounds interesting. Will have a look and see if I can repeat tomorrow.
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Postby ChiekuRs » 12 Jan 2010, 11:26

I played around for a while trying to get it back to global - nothing worked.
Maybe it makes difference - chase was stored on preset fader, not on roller playback. 1st cue contained 1 dimmer channel @50 (approximately), 2nd cue - same dimmer @0.

UPDATE:

I got to console and tried to replay actions I did when I realized that problem was not in the soft button but in the setting itself - soft-button is there and you can set it to global, but the setting isn't saved - if you exit unfold mode and enter it again you can see that setting is not back to global but still set in seconds as before.

I encountered this problem a while ago so I forgot what it was about ;)

Another problem:
when I was starting console today, it showed: 'Failed to load show on startup. Please select another show or start a new show.'
I was unable to load show or start a new one - only buttons on console that worked was soft-buttons F and G (previous and next page). I was unable to restart software using external monitor - Pearl Expert titan software window was in front of any buttons. Panel reset button led to spinning globe. After reset (re-powering) problem was still there, but after second restart is started working normally.
Other operator confirmed that he had encountered this problem previously.
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Postby niclights » 13 Jan 2010, 19:47

Agreed. There does appear to be a problem here. Global is setting values to 0s. You don't actually need to exit unfold. Simply re-selecting the same cue while in the Edit Times reveals the value.
And I can now see the problem with the [global] softkey too. If enter has been pressed then the key disappears until a value is selected for input even if a value is already in focus for editing. This can be repeated by pressing enter after a value and then selecting the same or another step. The value previously being editing will auto-focus and allow input but the global softkey will not be available until you select a value again.

I noticed one other very minor fault whereby 'fixture order' sometimes puts a % after global.


I also see the problem with filtered palettes. My best guess is the show retains fixture order information after they have been removed with OFF. There may be a good reason for this but it clearly causes a problem. A workaround is to include the cue and re-record it.


The usual reason for load show to fail on startup is because the console was not shut down properly - ie. turned off at the back. During normal shutdown a shutdown show is written which Titan looks for at startup. If the console does not shutdown properly then the file is not written and you get the error on start.
However, I cannot repeat any problems. It is easy to test simply by deleting the shutdown file but both New Show and loading old shows always work for me. Could it be possible that the show did load but the menu never exited? Occasionally I have seen the load/save menus forget to exit after they have finished. If this occurs then you can always press exit. The fact that you were able to use prev/next means there were no problems with the panels.

In case this does happen again there are a few things you can do though:

Try loading a file from the Titan File menu. This does work with the 'failed to load show on startup' dialog.

And to access behind the Titan window simply minimise it, or resize it using the icons at the top right. Or use Alt+Tab on the keyboard to cycle through applications and bring them into focus.
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Postby ChiekuRs » 15 Jan 2010, 09:47

niclights wrote:And to access behind the Titan window simply minimise it, or resize it using the icons at the top right. Or use Alt+Tab on the keyboard to cycle through applications and bring them into focus.

The problem was in fact that Titan window was 'stuck' - it seamed like PC part of console had freezed - with first click I was able to remove (move to background) legend windows, but after that anything I tried to do with Titan window, failed - minimize, close, Alt+Tab and any other keyboard shortcuts didn't work.

I have done about 10 power off/on cycles after this problem and everything seems to be fine.
My co-operator says that when he encountered this problem, it was on second day morning in 2 day event - after normal shutdown few hours ago.
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Postby niclights » 15 Jan 2010, 17:07

I can only think you were unlucky. I've never seen Titan go unresponsive like that on startup. I suspect if you waited long enough it may have resolved its problem and continued as normal.

If not then probably the only thing you could do in that situation would be to try and end the process using task manager. But it can get confusing to get things running again. For example you might also have to end 'pearlexpertprofessional.exe' too. As long as the shell is functioning correctly the two processes should then re-launch automatically. Otherwise you may even have to close the the shell and manually restart using run.../titanshell.exe.

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