Exec go/step unlinked chases with flashbutton ExpertTitan

[bbenny]

Hi!
I would like to have several unliked chases on the playback faders and still be able to press different palettes in the preset fader buttons without presing the head go button again to step chases.
How do i execute go/step with flash/swop buttons above the playback faders without pressing the head go button? I would also like the chase to stand in a step when i raise the playback fader.

[niclights]

To set 'go' on grey or blue button you need to use key profiles.

You can either do this as a global function (ie. for all chases) or just for specific playbacks. The difference between the two is that the global assignments can be switched (quick toggle in run mode) whereas the individual assignments are permanent regardless of global profile.

For global:
Program mode.
Shift+[edit key profile]
[Add new]
Give it a name, for example 'chase go'
[Chases]
[Blue]/[Grey]
[Go]
Exit

For individual:
Program mode.
[Playback Options]
[Key profile]
Select or create new with above method.

Note that you can also press associated blue/grey keys on presets/playbacks to shortcut straight to the relevant definition.


To get the first step of an unlinked chase or cuelist to fire when you raise the fader the trick is to add a dummy step at the end with zero fade/delay time. Then link the first step.

[bbenny]

Thanx!
I will try that. I experienced that in the Frog consoles, it was easy to set a parameter so the chase stopped in the last step and started in the same step next time you raised the fader. Isn't that possible in Tiger?

[niclights]

Not if you lower/raise the fader (or operate by flash etc.), no. It is something I have requested for Titan though.

[bbenny]

Ok Seems like the Frog is a better and cheaper console then.
Where can I set the ltp trig for different faders like in Frog?

[niclights]

Cheaper for sure. Better? Not something I would conclude, but each to their own. Is a chase restarting from first step such a big problem? Maybe I misunderstood you.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by 'ltp trig for different faders'.

[bbenny]

if You made 20 steps and every time you fade down, it will start at step one, wouldn't you be sad? In Frog, You can easily set % of the ltp trig of different masters. For examle. 99%. and the flashmaster at 98%. Then if you take the fader to 100% you have a dynamic effect that trigs. 2 functions at one fader.

[niclights]

if You made 20 steps and every time you fade down, it will start at step one, wouldn't you be sad?

Chases restarting from step one has never been a big issue for me and I've never heard anyone mention it either. The only reason I have requested is just to avoid repetitiveness if constantly stop/starting, probably via flash.

Perhaps you should consider using cuelists instead of chases?
I'm confused since your topic was about Titan but then you mentioned Tiger. Classic only supports cuelists in the form of Theatre Stack mode but Titan on Pearl Expert or Tiger Touch has them as an option from the record chase function key (quickest route is to press it twice).

There are two important differences between cuelists and chases I can think of:
Firstly cuelists are tracking, which essentially makes adjustment/editing of large lists very easy if they are programmed correctly.
Secondly, you cannot connect wheels to speed/xfade with linked steps.
As far as I can see, neither of these should be a problem for your application.

When using cuelists the fader only masters intensity. It will not kill the list unless you set the playback option 'kill at zero'. As default you kill with shift+blue key. You can still setup the key profiles as described earlier. In fact it might easier since you probably will always want a key for 'go'. Personally I use profiles where blue keys for chases are tap tempo and blue keys for cuelists are go. That means I can still use flash and if I really want a solo function I will override it via playback options.

Hopefully that solves your problem, assuming you are on a Titan console?


I'm afraid to say I still don't understand the ltp trigger function from your description. I haven't visited any venues where the house board is a Frog and so I have not had any reason to learn them. I am not going to argue benefits of one console over another here. It is pointless. But it is useful to explore other console features and either find solutions or see if there are good ideas for future development.