How to make gobo rotation ( Robe colorspot ) fader dependant

[Han963]

Goodevening.

After switching to Titan software I can't find how to make Gobo rotation fader dependant.
The spot is a Robe Colorspot 700 E AT

With the old software is was mode 2 and no problems.
But with titan when you fade up the gobo rotation is at once at maximum whatever I try.

Anyone any idea how to do the trick ?

With kind regards

Han Hardonk
Musis Sacrum
Arnhem
The Netherlands

[vbarie]

In Edit Times is de functie Fade Mode te vinden. Deze moet op mode 2 staan. Het gaat tegenwoordig iets anders.

[Han963]

Hallo Vbarie

Dat klopt daar kan je wel mode 2 kiezen alleen bij gobo rotatie werkt dit NIET.
Ook bij het kiezen van mode 2 gaat de gobo voluit draaien als de fader iets upfade. Verder heeft de fader geen nut. Het is een soort aan en uit knop.
Met de oude software kon je linksom draaien tot 50 % en dan rechtsom ( kan ook andersom zijn geweest).

Han

[niclights]

It would be useful if you keep posts to English where possible.

Setting to mode2 definitely works for this. Can you confirm you are using latest version (currently v2.0)?

[Han963]

Hello Niclight

Sorry for the dutch.

Mode 2 does not do the trick.
The Gobo rotation is full on when you just fade up a little.
Mode 2 does not work as it should .

We are using V2.0

[niclights]

Strange. I have never had any problems and it definitely works when I test with Colorspot 700E AT in mode1 v1.1.

For clarity this is the procedure I use to check:

Program mode,
Clear,
Select fixture,
Select Gobo2 Rotation attribute,
Set to 100%,
Record cue in 'by channel' (by fixture also works),
Set to 0%,
Clear,
[Edit Times],
Select playback.
Toggle to mode2,
Exit

Raising playback increases gobo rotation value proportionally from 0 to 100% at full. Lowering playback decreases back to 0.


If that doesn't work then which mode/version of the fixture are you using?

[Han963]

I am off duty now will be back on monday evening if I have the time I will follow your procedure step by step and post what happened.

[SL]

Hoi,


Ik heb dit probleem ook wel eens gehad. Ik heb toen de hele memorie leeg gehaald, exit clear clear gedaan, en opnieuw geprogrammeerd... Toen werkte het wel.

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I`ve had this problem also before. I`ve deleted the memorie, and after exit clear clear i programmed it again. It worked then.


BTW; Een theater met een pearl... Hmm, apart! Maar naar mijn mening geen verkeerde keuze...

[Han963]

Hello niclights

I followed your procedure completely.
It does not work.

For the GOBO 2 I choose "fixed spin ".
When I choose "fixed index" I can make it fader dependant.
But with "fixed spin" it is only on or off.

I repatched the Robe colorspot 700 E AT in mode v1.1 and also v1.2 with the same result.

The software version(s) for Robe is:

IC 1 MB 3.2
IC 2 MB 2.1
IC 3 MB 2.0
IC 4 MB 3.1
IC 1 H 2.3
IC 2 H 2.6
IC 1 DS 3.1
IC 2 DS 3.1
IC 1 L 1.7
IC 2 L 1.8
IC 1 R 1.4
IC 2 R 1.4

Titan version v2.0

[niclights]

Ok. I see the problem. It is to do with the way ranges work in the personality file.

For this to work you must ensure you are working within one range only - ie. Spin CW 0-100% or CCW 0-100%.

For example:

Program Mode,
Clear,
Select Fixture(s),
Select Gobo2 attribute,
Set Fixed Spin (to enable rotation ranges),
Clear (assuming you don't actually want to store Fixed Spin in the playback),
Select Fixture(s) again,
Toggle Gobo2 attribute to Gobo 2 Rot layer,
Wheel Spin CW to 100%,
Record cue by channel,
[Edit Times],
Toggle mode2,
Wheel Spin CW to 0%,
Clear.

Now the playback will give you fader adjustable clockwise rotation speed from 0-100%.

It is very important that both the origin and the playback values are both within the same range. This does not stop you from using different ranges on different fixtures (ie. some fixtures CW, some CCW) but I cannot see any way to move across ranges to allow CW thru' CCW without either using RAW or modifying personality.

Does that help?

[Han963]

Hello niclights

Thanks for the explanation. I'll try your solution asap
I understand why it is not working any more.
I do not understand why the possibility has changed

With the old software you could fade up from ccw to cw with 1 fader.

Is it with the Titan software not working because of the software change or the personality change?

[niclights]

Titan just gives you more options.

In Classic all the attributes worked in a 'raw' mode where you would have a 0-255 (or 0-100%) control for each.
If you select the raw function in Titan for any given attribute then you get the same control and it will function exactly the same.

But the software is also designed to use personalities containing all the details that translate the raw values into their actual function. So instead of hunting to find the right values that correspond to, say, gobo spin or random strobe you can just go directly to that function and let the software worry about the DMX value. It also helps when converting attributes in fixture exchange operations. Some console manufacturers call this an 'abstraction layer'.

It is possible to modify the personality so that the gobo rotation channel does not have any ranges, much like when the gobo is set to indexed (fixed). But this means you lose the convenience of the CW/No Spin/CCW information.

[tailwip]

Hello,
I had the same probleme with my Pearl.
I can't raise the speed of gobo rotation or prisme...
I test this with robe or mac...

I have try like you say in this post with no result...

I work with titan V2

Somebody can help me because i don't understand anything...

Think

[niclights]

I don't really see how I can give a clearer description than above?

[tailwip]

Sorry for my post...

I have just understand your last post...
It's work.

Thank