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Sanduwr
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Safety Channel

Postby Sanduwr » 08 Feb 2017, 14:27

Hi There,

I Know on another table's like Hog or MA that you can make some safetychannel.
Is this possible at the Avolites Console?

Example:
we have 8 CO2 jets, and the show is on timecode.
We want to make some fader or button that we USE the Co2 jets, when the botton or fader is open/on ..
and we want no CO2 when the fader or botton is off.

Someone can help me?

Thanks!
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby niclights » 08 Feb 2017, 14:45

You could achieve this by recording a playback with the controls you want to block set at the 'safe' position and then set the priority higher than any other playbacks. If you set it to 'Very High' priority then this will even block overrides by programmer. I would place this on a macro/executor or in the playbacks workspace so that you can toggle it on/off.

The only difference is the fact that the playback would be on to prevent control and off to allow but I think this could be clearly legended (ie. 'SAFE!' - when on it's safe, when off it's not).
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby Sanduwr » 08 Feb 2017, 15:05

So for my information:

We have channel 509/510 with C02.
It is a dimmerchannel on switchfunction.

We program this channel on the timecode show (This is one fader) on the playbacks
We program a second channel with the dimmer on 100? With channel 509 and 510.. and what's next?
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby niclights » 08 Feb 2017, 15:24

I'm not sure I fully understand but if, for example, dimmer @ 100 = fire co2 and dimmer @ 0 = no co2 then record a playback with dimmer @ 0 and set the priority to very high via [Playback Options]. When this playback is active it will be impossible to set the level above zero (ie. cannot fire co2).
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby Sanduwr » 08 Feb 2017, 15:38

It doesn't work at this moment, i've try you're steps.

okay, hopefully you understead this:

Step 1: We program a Timecode show on (example: fader 10)
On this show the C02 channels are programmed with the light show. (channel 509/510)
This Timecode show played for 40/50 times.

At the first 20 shows we use the C02.
And at the last 20 shows we use the CO2.

So the timecode show is running at every time.
But now comes the next step.

We want the have a fader (fader 1?) and fader one need to fire te CO2.
This fader has to program as example 0 = SAFE / 100 = FIRE
And this fader has to overrule the timecode show for channel 509/510 so when this fader is at zero there is no CO2 and when this fader is at 100 there IS C02.

Mabey you know it better know.

(When i program channel 509/510 on 100% (as a Switch channel) en on a another fader 509/510 at 0% and set this fader as very high priority .. and i set this fader, the lamp is still on.
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby niclights » 08 Feb 2017, 16:07

Sorry, I see now that dimmer is not respecting priority (presumably because it is HTP). I thought I had tested.

However, this does work for LTP. For example patch Generic, LTP - record @ full playback for Co2 on and @ zero playback for Co2 off. Set Co2 off playback to very high priority and change the Co2 On playback to mode 2 so that it works by fader.
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby niclights » 08 Feb 2017, 18:28

To add, as has just been pointed out to me an easier solution in this case might be to keep the fixtures as dimmers and use a scale (group) master. This will behave the way you want - ie. at zero will block the dimmers for any fixtures in the group and at full will allow the output. I had got sidetracked looking for a solution to LTP channels but if you're only using dimmers this will work.
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby Sanduwr » 09 Feb 2017, 10:23

Okay, that's a lot closer.
And now the program situation.
How do i program a scale master for 8 (DIM) channels CO2? Making á group for this 8 channels?

With a scale master and one playback as timecode?
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby niclights » 09 Feb 2017, 11:31

Just select the 8 dimmer handles and record a group to a playback fader. Groups on faders default to scale master so that's all you need to do.
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby Sanduwr » 09 Feb 2017, 13:16

Thanks, it's working on the way we want.
Simply, it is at that moment a master for that group of channels, what overruled every playback where the lamp is programmed.
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Re: Safety Channel

Postby htevents » 30 Jun 2021, 11:25

To kick this topic:

I want to do the same, but we hooked up 2 co2 valves to a dimmerpack and have a flash cue wich just full on open te valves when pressed, but if we use the group master as safety channel, it also haa to function as relay instead of dimmer. Can we set the group master to be full on when above 50% (128) and zero when below that? So even when group master is not fully up, it will put out FF?

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